HM: Today is Saturday, April 17th, 2010. We are having a conversation in Sepse. We would like to have this conversation so that we can send it to England. Yes, so sir (elder) (now) you can speak, please say your name and age. AA: Before I tell this story, I would like to give my name. My name is Abner Ansek and I am 45 years old. So I will talk about our departure from Samares to here. We left in 1971. We came here to start a village which was called Yimdi. After we started it we built a school and a church, but we did not use a zinc roof but only a thatched roof. HM: You came here twice so where did you first build the houses? AA: We built the houses from here frontward. The head of the village, Mr Renyaan, gave some zinc sheets but they were not enough. So elder Yohanes said: "These zinc roofs are not enough so you just fit the zinc roofs on the back part of the houses. But you put the leaf roof towards the front part of the houses so that when we invite Mr Renyaan tomorrow, he would say, "What happened to the front part of the houses?" So it does not have an all-zinc roof but part of it has a leaf roof and part of it has a zinc roof. So we did what he told us to do. The head of the village came, elder Yohanes said, "You should know the way we, Papuans, put things, we would put (hide) the valuable things on that part but show the bad ones on this part. There, the head of the village saw the houses and gave us some building materials that we could use to build the houses in Sepse. HM: So after you built the houses then you built the schools here and after that the children could study well here? After we built the houses, then the children began to study. They studied here until..., there weren't any roads appearing like this yet. The Barito company cut wood from this land and then built these roads and the roads are good for the cars (down there) to move back and forth on them. In those early days, it was very difficult (to get) from here to Sundei, we really struggled. However, we really wanted to have schools in the middle (of the village) here so we went downward to take stones, bricks, zinc roof, metal wire, ten-ten (10cm X 10cm), logs (5cm X 10 cm), we took (them) from Sundei upward here. If (this happened to) any body else, it would be impossible for them to bring the things from Sundei upward here. However, in those brief period perhaps we were very strong and that's why we could carry materials by hand from Sundey to here. We really wanted to have a school and a church, those were our wishes and all the schools and the churches which spread around here were (finally) established. Now that we have built the village, the junior high shool is located landward and the children do not have go to Bosnik (to study at the Junior High School in Bosnik) but (if you see those kids) they are the ones who are studying there (at the Junior High school). HM: So that was the story of Sepse village at the time it was first established. The person who told the story was Elder Abner Ansek. Elder Henoch Mofu was the one who came to record the story.